Americans are provisioned to see felons as unwashed muggers and scruffy deadbeats, but “the worlds biggest” crooks in the world wear suits and ties as they poison the masses with toxic chemicals they sell in everyday concoctions. Such is the story of DuPont compounds, whose teflon products ought to have poisoning shoppers for over 50 times. A young advocate mentioned Rob Bilott caught onto their scheme and pledged to do whatever it took to hold them accountable for their actions. Bilott’s tale is are presented in the new movie, Dark Waters.

Mark Ruffalo starrings as Bilott, while Tim Robbins represents his boss, Tom Terp, a mortal driven by fiduciary duty to his regulation conglomerate who nonetheless agrees to help Bilott do the right thing. The movie is directed by Todd Haynes( Carol, Wonderstruck ), who uses the film to uncover the truth of DuPont’s crimes in an effort to fight back against their attempts to dismiss the technical detects that prove their malicious activities. When business have so much fund and so much power, it takes an extraordinary effort to push back against their capitalistic might. Fortunately, Dark Waters is an extraordinary film.

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At a New York City press day for Dark Sea, Tim Robbins and Todd Haynes sat down with Screen Rant to discuss their work on the cinema, and the steps that are being taken to punish DuPont and retaliate their countless casualties. Dark Waters is in theaters now, and Rob Bilott’s non-fiction account of the case, Exposure, is available at bookstores everywhere.

Hi! So this movie is fantastic. There’s one background, in particular, where I wanted to simply stand up and applaud. It’s your large-scale minute where you say something along the lines of, “God damn it, this is why people hate lawyers! ” It’s all this legalese that beings use, that advocates use to justify these horrible acts of … Imperialistic capitalism, I don’t know what the word is.

Tim Robbins: Corporate crime.

Corporate crime. What is the line at which someone has to kept their hands down and move, “Damn it, we have to do the right thing.”

Tim Robbins: It’s different for different people. Hopefully, this film will arouse those in positions of power to know what their bottom line is, and to take a stand themselves.

Is that part of why you wanted to do this movie?

Todd Haynes: Oh yeah. The movie was an opportunity to tell a story. A genuine storey, an ongoing story. We’re now at the twenty year trace of the clash that Rob Bilott, this kind of inadvertently stumbled into his sip in 1998, who used to work as a defense attorney in downtown Cincinnati. And working within the regulatory culture and believing that there was a good way for industry and regulation to coexist. And I think that’s pretty much Tom Turp’s orientation, as well, the character Tim plays in the movie. And they reflected at first , no, there’s got to be a mistake here. We can figure this out, we know these DuPont chaps! In a path, that extremely premise offsets the floor so much more interesting. It’s not the obvious … Bleeding heart liberal is gonna take on the system and has it out for them and previously know what the end result, what they’re looking for, is, a sense of massive decay. He is methodical and resistant. It’s very much about the process of breakthrough and what do you do about it? Peculiarly when there’s no self-evident law tools at your disposal to take on a company this massive, who has all of the science walled off within their own campuses right? And no one who understands what this chemical is who lives outside of the domination and influence of a company that big.

It’s baffling. While you’re watching the movie, it’s baffling. I imagine, when the movie was being shaped, that you had to be like, “Wait, is this real? ” And yeah. They modulate themselves.

Tim Robbins: And there are how many substances that were invented before the EPA that were grandfathered in? So we don’t any testing.

And they all get a pass for the only reason being that it would be too expensive to check them all. So, “Oh , no one we know has died more, so…” Ahh!

Tim Robbins: When Todd says it’s ongoing, it’s still happening today. Even yesterday in the New York Times front page, they were reporting that the EPA is trying to throw out the science, is trying to throw out any discipline that links poisons in our environment or ocean to cancer or any other illnesses. So Rob’s study, which was thorough- 70,000 beings established their blood and filled out models this thick-witted- they evidenced a direct connection between PFOAs and six illnesses. The EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency, wants to throw out that science now. Why? Because corporations like DuPont are still accountable for it and will have to pay to take care of the people that they poisoned. And they don’t want to do that. That’s the world we’re living in, and that’s why it’s important, this film. That’s why this story is important. That’s why people like Rob Bilott are essential in a democracy. You have to have these parties that are pursuing the truth and the overall good of the person or persons, whether you’re left, right, core, doesn’t matter. Poison doesn’t discriminate.

Well, thank goodness we have a President who cares about the people and won’t kept the corporations before- Oh no.

Todd Haynes: There’s something we can do about that, and we’d better get started fast.

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